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EDM – the worst thing that has ever happened to electronic dance music?

UPDATE: as there are remarks in the comments on how this post missed to cover recent developments: please note that this article has been written in 2012!

“Who’d have thought three little letters could make dance music look so wanky?”, fellow blogger Clive from UK-based music blog Electronic Rumors asked on Twitter a few months ago. “What’s happened to dance music?”, Haezer asks his fans on Facebook. London music blog Too Many Sebastians recently declared the beginning of EDMageddon on Twitter.

In the meantime, Tiesto is still touring US universities for his Club Life College Invasion tour, Steve Aoki is still surfing underage crowds on an inflatable raft and David Guetta is still selling out every single show he plays. Skrillex and Avicii can still be heard blasting out of every kid’s iPod, the top ten tracks for electro house on Beatport still have cheesy trance vocals and synths in the breaks and Rihanna or Pitbull’s songs still sound like big-room club anthems. Madonna still keeps appearing at Avicii’s shows. Sebastian Ingrosso of Swedish House Mafia still thinks SHM are the new Beatles. And above all, Paris Hilton still thinks she’s a DJ now. What has electronic dance music become? Or is EDM just electronic dance music for douchebags?

After an entire summer spent traveling from one EDM festival to another, I obviously could go on for hours here, but let’s just forget about all that for a second and step back to take a closer look at this thing called EDM. A few years ago, EDM had been a collective term for all kinds of electronic dance music (rather than a genre on its own), ranging from techno over house to drum&bass, and all other kinds of music created on computers and synthesizers with the purpose of making people dance. Except for some new genres (like dubstep or moombahton) that have recently joined the family, EDM is still the catch-all term for electronic dance music. So what exactly has changed, and why are so many people (including me) so upset about it?

“EDM has become an entire generation’s pop music.”

If you ask someone what kind of music they enjoy and the answer is rock, you can go on asking which kinds of rock music, and you would probably get stoner rock, indie rock, hard rock or any other kind of music with guitars as an answer. If you ask today’s average EDM fan the same question, they will most probably have a hard time naming you three sub-genres of EDM they’re into. If you don’t believe me, go check the line-ups of dance events a few years ago: never before have artists such as Tiesto, John Dahlbäck, Richie Hawtin and Steve Aoki constantly shared stages, because each of them represented a different style (trance, house, techno, electro, etc.) back then, with completely different crowds. Today, it’s all just EDM. For a large number of (young) listeners (mainly in the US), EDM has become a new genre, it seems. A genre characterized by simple melodies that immediately get stuck in your head and catchy vocals that you can sing along to after the first listen (wait, isn’t that pretty much a definition of pop music?). Add a big drop with lots of bass, gritty synths and white noise to that, and you’ve got a pocket definition of 2012′s idea of EDM. I recently asked on Twitter “What has dance music become?”, and one answer I got was from Andrew of Harder Blogger Faster: “One word: predictable.” I couldn’t agree more with this, remembering Skrillex joking about one of his fans commenting “Nice song, but where’s the drop” after the prince of dubstep posted a video of Aphex Twin’s Windowlicker on Facebook.

How could it have come to this, though? For years now, electronic dance music has been growing bigger and bigger, finally making the jump from music made for clubs to receiving attention on mainstream radio – outside of clubs. This process was sort of kickstarted between 2006 and 2008 when some emerging artists managed to build a big hype and make electronic music “socially acceptable” for people who have never been into dance music before: somewhere between alternative rock (which was huge back then) and dance music, indie dance was born. Think of: Justice’s remix for Simian’s We Are Your Friends, the early days of The Hype Machine, blog house, Kitsuné, the Ed Banger generation, Crookers, MGMT’s Kids (Soulwax Remix). In fact though, this process has been going on for much longer, though: electronic music has always been drawing influences from other genres – think Bloody Beetroots collaborating with hardcore punk bands such as Refused. After this big hype back in 2006 – 2008 though, it started actually influencing other genres itself. For years now, electronic dance music has been influencing mainstream pop music – I don’t think I need to give examples for that.

Today however, the situation has changed. Electronic dance music is no longer influencing mainstream pop music. EDM has become mainstream pop music.

Underground music has been influencing mainstream music for as long as music exists, probably. When underground music actually becomes mainstream music, though, some problems arise: long-time members of the original scene will feel irritated with lots of new people suddenly claiming to be part of the movement when they obviously have no idea what this scene is really about. What better example than old-school house legend Mark Farina being removed from the decks in Vegas after the club received complaints from its bottle-service VIP crowd for “too much house music”? Or deadmau5 ranting about Madonna, and his “we all hit play” statement, and Boys Noize tweeting “if you see a dj that uses a mic and screams ‘put your hands up’ throw a banana at him”. Furthermore, artists who used to define and shape the scene for long years will start to “sell out” because of the big money that suddenly can be made when a genre blows up. These problems and others are of course typical side effects of a genre’s commercialization, and no EDM-specific phenomenon.

EDM in the USA – a booming industry.

With the hype exploding and still growing, EDM has evolved from an underground movement to a big target market for all kinds of enterprises, attracting the attention of big companies who started pouring lots of money into the scene, hosting bigger, louder, crazier festivals all over the world (think Holy Ship, Ultra, EDC, Tomorrowland etc.). “It’s just a marketing term to sell various genres of dance music to the US.”, Clive of Electronic Rumors once tweeted, and he’s totally right about that. With the massive marketing firepower of the entire event industry as a strong tailwind, EDM is getting bigger and bigger. In fact, the bigger it gets, the bigger it gets – a vicious circle.

Obviously what I’m talking about here is largely a US-based phenomenon. Of course it’s swapping over to Europe, but the real big hype hasn’t actually arrived yet (and I’m not sure if it ever will): even at European mainstream EDM festival like Tomorrowland you will meet more North and South Americans than Europeans combined. This is due to a strong, independent scene and a long tradition of electronic dance music in Europe: French house in, well, France, drum & bass and dubstep in the UK, techno and deep house in Berlin – just to name a few examples. There are lots of big artists in Europe who firmly stand against the EDM hype, who have always chosen quality electronic dance music over cheap music for the masses. I’m not going to do some namedropping here – if you’ve been following this blog for some time chances are that you already know who the good guys are. After being asked in an interview why Europe seems to be constantly ahead of the US when it comes to electronic dance music, techno legend Richie Hawtin explains that the club scene in Europe has not only a much longer tradition than it has in the States, but also complains about the mentality of the US scene: “I think music in America, and this emanates across the world, everybody wants to be a superstar. Everybody wants to actually cut themselves off from people. Everybody wants to be on a pedestal. [...] It’s a little bit disappointing how that’s happened in America. It’s really like the whole rock star, hip-hop mentality. You know, these unreachable people.”

Having said that, EDM’s poster boys are of course in no way inferior when it comes to producing and DJing (except for some of the obvious douchebags), in fact I have all the respect in the world for artists like David Guetta: every single piece of music this man touches immediately turns into solid earworm gold. Also, he’s French, so obviously I’m not just hating on the US music scene here, just to be clear about that too. The US music scene is clearly breaking new grounds with EDM at the moment, so obviously there are lots of people who are new to electronic dance music – and of course they can’t be expected to immediately know and appreciate the more elaborate and sophisticated facets of electronic music, as Hawtin explains: “If you just got into Calvin Harris or you just got into Afrojack, great. You’ve stepped through the door, but there’s so much more to learn.”

This is the end?

However, at some point in the near future the EDM hype will probably collapse, as new (or old) genres will eventually start replacing it again. I remember asking Olle of Dada Life in an interview I did with them back in 2009 if he thought that electronic dance music would ever become as popular as indie rock, and he answered: “It already is, in some ways. On a regular weekend more people are partying to house and electro than rock. They just don’t know what they’re hearing at the club. I don’t think that will change, but that’s fine!” Obviously it did change, so why shouldn’t it change again? Hopefully for the better, this time.

In my opinion, while quickly gaining lots of fans, electronic dance music has become less credible in the course of this big EDM hype. The (bigger part of the) underground clubbing scene (where it has been all about the music) has turned into a commercial hype focusing on festivals, fireworks and rockstar personality cult rather than on the music itself. It has become harder to spot the most interesting artists, and it has become harder for talented artists to reach an audience if their music is not big-room compatible. While introducing massive crowds to electronic music, this thing called EDM has been a major setback for electronic dance music, as it has changed the public’s perception of dance music to something that dance music never wanted to represent.

Having said that, the scene has always been sort of re-inventing itself – and the bigger EDM becomes, the more up and coming artists start rejecting the hunt for the hardest drop, slowly developing a fresh underground scene, where it’s all about the music again – for example the future techno movement. Facing the rapid commercialization of mainstream dance music, these small underground scenes are rapidly gaining fans who are fed up with the EDM hype. So let’s all just sit back and wait for this whole thing to repeat itself again in a few years. Eurodance, EDM – I wonder what they will call it the next time.

Comments appreciated.

Photo credits: Drew Ressler, rukes.com.

  • Ant

    seriously i cringe when i hear people say , my favourite genre is EDM …..i feel like giving them the Aussie equivalent of a glasgow kiss

    Jungle is a genre
    Acid Techno is a genre
    wonky is a genre
    psytrance is a genre

    EDM is not

    • Unknown

      Just cuz your “old school” doesn’t mean shit welcome to the next generation bitch survival of the fittest and I still love old school and I love vinyl but if you where a real old school producer you would respect the new guys and learn a few things from them and also teach them something’s it’s funny how I’m younger than you yet I have more knowledge and respect than you ever will for music.

  • Henderick Mitchell

    Skrilliex is the “prince of dubstep” lol. This is a joke. He blongs in the same book as this BS EDM crap. The REAL dubstep (now called uk bass) started in England. I think if people truly knew what music truly originates from then they will not buy into the Mcdonalds style electronic music in the first place.

    • I-NOZex

      and skrillex dont make dubstep even! they genre is “brostep”

      • Henderick Mitchell


    • Ed Boumil

      contrast somebody like Benga (dubstep innovator) with Skrillex. Doesn’t even sound remotely like the same genre of music. I liken Skrillex as a sort of stadium electro/brostep sorta “music”.

  • Qasim Haji

    I’m so glad to have found this.
    I’ve been listening to trance since 2002 and it’s depressing how it’s changed so much.
    So many artists sound the same.
    I’ve read things over here I’ve been telling my friends for a while now.
    These artists now get a vocal so people can sing along, and then there goes a typical drop, it’s really annoying.
    Me and my wife just went to go Myon and Shane and we didn’t recognize a single song except for On a Good Day that they played at the end.
    I really hope some artists play classic sets some day.
    When you go see a rock artist for example Linkin Park, they will still play their classics from Hybrid Theory however these Djs now a days, play stuff that will get the younger crowd jumping having no idea what song it is, or who it’s even by.
    We don’t even know who to go for anymore, we ask each other, do they play the typical stuff?
    I remember how I would go to a festival and get so annoyed how they’d play a remix instead of the original.
    Man there’s so much I can keep complaining about.
    I’m just glad there’s others out there who feel the same.

  • wesleykimler

    EDM is for retardfags

    • itsbad

      Yea, of course. it’s the E part. All electronic music is fucking trash and belongs in the garbage. people who listen to this techno shit (sorry you stupid little fucks, all electronic music is the same, it doesn’t need different genres) need to be shot in the head and wiped from the face of the planet.

      • youreajackass

        obvious troll is obvious

      • FlamingRans

        That is like saying that rock, and country are the same.

  • KillerQ13

    A warning to anyone that’s typed some shit out and hasn’t logged in/signed up: copy it to your clipboard before doing that. Your browser probably won’t remember shit the way it’s designed (back button isn’t gonna save you and may even make it less likely that you’ll recover). There’s also some other weird quirk that sometimes make undoing impossible. I feel like somebody might be trolling.

    -Poorly defining something and hating otherwise has become popular. EDM and hipster are damn good examples.
    -EDM seems to be what incorrectly calling arbitrary electronic music as techno was…only popular.
    -People seem to have the hardest time with breakbeat. Their mind has apparently dulled from listening to house like beats to the point that they can’t recognize the Amen break even though there probably isn’t a person out there that hasn’t heard it. I had thought there was hope with dubstep but even that is apparently dying out.
    -IDM is the antiEDM. Like literally, it’s intelligent but most of it undancable (unless your dance moves include seizuring) and experiments hard enough that some people wouldn’t even consider it music.

  • John The ICON

    Lots of good opinions here guys… funny and definitely uhh,,, (interesting) stuff too! Ok, Just a personal opinion… here goes…:::

    NEDM… (the website) is now my DEFINING standard for music quality,,, and now I bet you’re saying.. HUH???? What I mean is I listen to the new music… and compare it to the websites theme (meme) music… most of the time (which is sad) NEDM wins out!!! and that my friends is a mind-stopping shame.

    I just listen to a song,,, for a few seconds and (if it’s got that skull numbing familiar beat) then I think… yep,,, this pile of bat-dung is no better than the NEDM theme music.. : (

    Some new music is decent though… I figure we have to give the new artists a break because they are surrounded by the convenience of *instant* music…so I listen,,, and if it is decent then I am relived… but most of time,,, its just plain… or just plain bearable… or it just completely makes new records for supreme-sucky-ness! It has come to the point to where music is now manufactured and put out as fast as bottled beer (remember when you knew most of the brands) But still… we know there is always someone new,,, who breaks new ground… and makes all others go “QUICK! Someone copy that beat… and lets sample that #$*(# into the GROUND!!!) Stay Cool Out There My Bretheren! J. T. I.

    • FlamingRans

      Some of the only “good” EDM songs are ones with artists on labels such as Monstercat, No Copyright Sounds etc.

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  • Dildo faggins

    Just like the whole “emo” culture completely disappeared, and places like hot topic stopped being cool, the same will be with EDM. I’m just sorry that masses don’t know shit about music and always have to ruin the party for the people who really care about the quality of the music.

    But I suppose it’s a good thing that trends change, it would suck if people still thought that bands like def leppard were still “cool”

  • Theorn

    Ummmm, Disco? NEW YorK, Deejaying, 4 on the floor? Just saying.

  • Arnoud van Lieshout

    Kill all the EDM faggots… and real people listen to my music

    • Miguelangelo

      really? Self-Promoting yourself like that?
      Eh, ok then.

      check out Noxial on soundcloud…!

      there, I guess…

    • Unknown

      if you where mature enough and not a selfcentered peice of dog shit that should be burned on a cross you would under stand that your music sucks dick and that you have no fucking clue what your talking about just like everyone in this discussion Cuz that’s excactly why edm is thriving and that this article is way off. By the way coming from a guy who has been studying and listening to it religiously not only in edm but in all music so keep your cock sucking mouth shut

  • Chris Burnette

    It’s so sad to see…. I feel like I am the one who grew into adulthood, right alongside the bleeding edge of true electronic music. The disgusting thing is when immediately after, once it continued to bleed over into the mainstream, this monstrous mutation occurred called ‘EDM’ and pop-style and such, which in fact is the antithesis of everything REAL electronic music represents.

    • itsbad

      All electronic music fucking sucks anyways, Who gives a fuck?
      It’s for simple minded idiots, who don’t have ANY taste in music. Mainstream, underground either way it’s all fucking garbage and should
      stay there. People who actually like ANY kind of electronic music are all the biggest fucking shitheels I’ve ever met.

      • http://webchannel24.com K.C. Hunter

        Uh, no. Electronic music is probably truer to the roots of music (ie. sound, rhythm from tribal Africa to medieval Europe) than the calculated, here’s-the-lyrics-you-should-mindless-regurgitate songs that make up other forms of music.

        Then again, you’d have to know something about music and history … but people who don’t usually spew ignorant nonsense on the internet, showing that they are truly “the biggest fucking shitheels” ever.

        • http://www.greenwavs.com Kaikea

          I agree, the rhythmic aspects of electronic music are really based on tribal and often African music. Hell, all of DnB, breakbeat, and dubstep sourced from the amen break. Not that its all that so much anymore, but “good” music is in the eye of the beholder, which is well known by real music lovers.

      • http://www.greenwavs.com Kaikea

        It’s weird to consider the hostility people have against electronic music as this sort of “badge of oldschool wisdom” I’m waiting for it to die. Given electric guitars, hip hop, all recording studios being digital today. Hating everything electronic? Have fun with your bearskin drum.

      • Richard Cheese

        Feel free to see yourself out, luddite.

    • dpsttmpst

      You are not alone Chris.

  • Trance lover

    hello guys
    I love trance music and Im always updated with beatport.com
    But the fact is that trance music has been changed a lot nowadays it’s typically getting more like progressive house songs with deep pads and awful vocals
    Electronic Dance Music (EDM) is growing a lot but the way that is growing is not true trance producers such as Tiësto are producing Pop & progressive house and stuff like that and house producers such as zedd are producing pop music and they call it EDM!
    Well EDM is getting popular and the tracks are getting commercial for money and more fans for sadly
    Well at this situation I would say that classical music is the best thing because it’s the true music and others are just noises but TO BE HONEST NEW EDM SONGS ARE COOL FOR JUMPING UP AND DOWN IN THE CLUBSSS SO CHEERS :)))

    • BlueTooth4269

      You kidding me?
      Tiesto ruined trance with that over-the-top-epic-hands-in-the-air-this is-totally-super-emotional-awesome vibe – so ridiculously pretentious.

      Trance was in better hands with people like Sasha and Digweed.

      • Hana Sheala

        I agree, my love with trance started with these guys :)

      • Des Akkari

        Absolutely, I don’t like trance but the way Sasha and especially Digweed you could respect it as decent house.

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  • matt holland

    You pretty much lost any credibility when you associated Steve Aoki with electro.

  • TechHouseAfficionado

    I’ve always loved the German scene more than those abroad.
    You do get clubs (same as anywhere else) that sell out and play cheese, but you can find good underground house music in just about any city, and the scene is thriving with producers like Umami, Stereo Express, Monkey Safari, Wolfgang Lohr, ….. etc.

  • Hana Sheala

    I still love classic trance. In the year 2008, I lost my club night. After I got back on the track, the whole genre changed and I spent year on beatport. Thinking what is this crap they call trance now. Then the 138 movement came. Firts it was nice, but after some time it started to be always the same.
    Now I love new Airbase, Christopher Lawrence, Vini Vici, Airwave, Thomas Datt, Paul Vinitsky… these tracks have something magical in them.

    • dpsttmpst

      Go back father into the early 1990s and you will find more classic trance gems you may like. Cosmic Baby, Dance 2 Trance, Jam & Spoon, 4Voice, Sven Vath, Resistance D, Brainchild, Virtual Symmetry, Vernon…many almost-forgotten treasures can be found with these great acts of their time.

      Eye Q Records mix

      The Ultimate Classic Trance list by sljiva

      • tetsu

        yes this is better than any other generic trance.
        this mix has everything necessary. hypnotic, energetic, melodic and mind-blowing!

        • dpsttmpst

          It is such a shame that the producers of today who consider themselves “trance” artists refuse to revisit this era. It is always vocals this and fluffy pop melodies that.

  • Bryant Zea

    EDM can go suck my balls i Only listen to dubstep

    • Anthony Galloza

      dubstep is a subgenre of edm.

    • Larry Rouse

      Dubstep IS EDM. Did you even read the arcticle?

      • J Spoils

        Dubstep came before the term EDM so how is it a sub genre of it?

        • noxxi

          haha! thats so weird because a month ago you said “dubstep is a subgenre of edm.”, its actually just under this comment! :P

          • WKFKA

            Anthony Galloza =/= J Spoils. It just seems to be a generic avatar.

    • Richard Cheese

      Actual dubstep or more like… Brostep?

  • Rover

    Edm?this is the same shit,its dance music with a”E”it will be always dance music doest matter if you listen breakhookbeat,technobanabagroove,trapraggadubstep,its booty shake stuff..

  • dpsttmpst

    EDM is not a genre, but an umbrella category and/or “radio format” for
    similar styles of music grouped together, like the music press tried to
    do with “electronica” in the late 1990s/early 2000s. Funny thing is,
    no one groups electronic music such as Goa trance or progressive
    psytrance with or under EDM. So in this case EDM only refers to
    popular EDM such as electro house, brostep, and big room house music. For this reason, I have decided personally to tack on a pet name for this music
    simply titled “pop EDM”, to help me differentiate it from underground
    electronic music. Just calling it EDM isn’t enough.

  • David

    Underground EDM was good back in 2005 to about 2010. Then it slowly drifted into this mainstream crap , and by 2012 all EDM sucked with the exception of maybe 10% of producers keeping the music old school. The last time I went to a rave , I was not happy because it was full of these little children dressed like prostitutes. All of them were high on lsd and xtc and it was impossible to have fun or enjoy myself.

    • dpsttmpst

      Hey, there is always Goa trance and other types of psytrance left for the taking. They are still around and their hearts are still beating.

  • Travis McDowell

    Hooj Choons or GTFO.

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  • Larry Rouse

    Now for many months I have not been aware of this so-called “EDM boom” which is the overly generic, repetitive sh*t that is apparently “progressive house” on Beatport. Until the day I went to a local CD store a while ago and found a CD titled “Best of House 2014″ or something like that. Now at the time I was aware that house was a sub-genre of “EDM” but when I turned the CD case on it’s face I was expecting the “good guys” as you call them, like Chris James and deadmau5 etc, but instead I was unpleasently greeted with artists like Avicii and David Guetta, but even worse, remixes of pop songs. I do know that House music has many sub-categories but in all due respect, I figure that the CD might aswell have been called “Best EDM Remixes 2014″
    No wonder EDM is nicknamed Event Driven Marketing.
    As you mentioned, EDM isn’t about the music anymore. It’s about making money.

  • Carpulero

    Update from June 2015: RIP EDM

    New fashion for hipsters is to (make the others know) listen to what they call “underground house, deep house and techno” So now is absolutly expectable that old school techno, detroit techno, and acid amongst others will become the new EDM fashion. That, probably since Nina Kraviz’s Boiler Room shows

    People like Nicolas Jaar and Matias Aguayo and his Cómeme label took hipsters to a new level, so now their crowd kind of “deny” this whole EDM commercial scene (and minimal-tech house scene too, probably too mainstream for them) as in “Matias Aguayo – Minimal” song (the lyrics saying -Basta ya de mininal- translated as “stop minimal, we’ve had enough).
    This denial goes by pretending to be more into an “experimental and abstract”, “street and ghetto” even “tropical” sound. It is kind of funny because many of these people never heard or listened about electronic music before (and it wasn’t on mass media) so they truly believe they’re making something new.
    Check the title on this article from The Guardian “Nicolas Jaar is the renaissance man of electronic music”.
    Really? That was probably written by someone who has never heard of Acid jazz, trip hop and afro influenced electronic music.

    I’ve noticed also that many djs and producers who used to be in the hiphop scene are now into electronic sounds (probably influenced by Madlib, Flying Lotus, Floating Points, etc) making it really attractive for those kids who are always into what’s not mainstream (no matter what it is).

    So, the conclusion is we are in 2015… does anyone really care about music?
    I would say no. For artists its all about the money and, in the other hand, for the crowds it’s all about the hype.

    New wave of so-called “experimental abstract underground house, techno, acid” djs and producers basically took the aesthetic and the sound, but they’re making nothing less and nothing more than POP music disguised of electronic music.

    IMHO from an electronic music lover since late 90′s, everything that turns commercial gets f*cked up because after that, and as I said before, everything is about the money and about the hype. The music? Who cares.
    (Sorry about my english)

    • dpsttmpst

      Never give in and never give up. The one-size-fits-all mentality of Pop EDM should not keep you, or me, or the rest of us fans down.

  • Spinderfly

    Most of the moving music in my opinion was from the late 80s to 2005. Most of the techno, euro dance and house back then used to be moving until mainstream dubstep kicked with due to the longer generation. Now im fealing old going on 40 and quite frankly will jam to most of the older tunes unless the movement changes again. Altough I did enjoy the new daft punk but they the orginal release 15 some years ago with around the word. At least that artist kept there orginal flavor.

    • Eric Lance

      Yes, I really enjoyed that era of dance music and I still continue to listen to them. Do you remember Cappella with there tracks Move On Baby and U Got 2 Know? There are many people of this new EDM era that doesn’t know of older artists and genres of electronic music back then. I still listen to the older trance tracks by Jam X & De Leon, Liquid Bass, Plastic Angel, Triple Concept, Talks 2XLC, Signum, Sunscreem, Dj Mellow-D, Sunbeam, Blank & Jones, Lustral, and Floorfilla and UK NRG/hard house tracks by Tony De Vit, Lisa Pin Up, Rachel Auburn, BK, Lisa Lashes,etc.

      • derrick_274

        I do remember Cappella and Black & Jones & Floorfilla Good stuff.

    • Eric Lance

      Sorry, I meant to say Talla 2XLC in my reply.

  • imtooyoungtofeelthisway

    “Or is EDM just electronic dance music for douchebags?” Yes. A lack of talent generation. Shitty times for music.

  • Richard Cheese

    Darkpsy for life. Everything else is weak. Hitech is the future.

  • DNA(splicer)

    techno is about being happy and not giving a fuck and dancing all night and day why the hate. Sure its been hijacked by people who pretty much use to diss on techno and its descendants, to me techno was the advent of all these other techno sub genres. techno all the way.

  • Ryan

    Here we go again…..FUCK EDM.

  • Eric Lance

    I enjoyed the trance music scene up until 2006 and all of a sudden lost interest into the newer stuff that came after. I miss the 90′s hard trance and hard house. I can’t get into electronic pop house style that seems to be so big now. If I attend any events now, it usually consists of psytrance, hardstyle, or industrial/Euro future pop.

  • http://philiparbon.bandcamp.com/ Phil Airborn

    This isn’t the end, things have always been like this.

    Commercialisation of a genre like metal (for example) hasn’t removed quality metal bands from existence, its pushed them to strive for more.

    Electronic artists can take this as a challenge.

  • http://philiparbon.bandcamp.com/ Phil Airborn

    I think the problem is this whiney “fuck edm” sorta attitude, yeah its pop, yeah its commerical shite, so why are we bothered by it?

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  • George

    I totaklly agree with this article fuck edm it is nothing compared to dubstep house and drum and bass.

  • Mike Hunt

    Every Modern EDM song that has come out sounds the same to me. Instead I listen to Daft Punk, Giorgio Moroder, Deadmou5 (probably the only one that sounds different out of the modern edm people) and some select others.

    • Riley

      those are all edm artists… lol edm is so broad of a spectrum…. within in it are all those genres u listed…. so u basically just said Calvin Harris sounds like Deadmou5… #FAIL

      • Mike Hunt

        1.) honestly dude, you need to chill. Tis all just a misunderstanding.
        2.) I said every modern edm song sounds the same to me. M-O-D-E-R-N.
        3.) I listen to the oldies. The ones that started it all. They actually sounded like real music.
        4.) I know Deadmou5 is a bit of a stretch, but I give him credit as his style is slightly more unique than a lot of other artists out there today.
        5.) And you were mentioning how I apparently think that Calvin Harris sounds like Deadmou5… all I can ask is, “how did you come to that conclusion.” I don’t think Calvin Harris and deadmou5 sounds the same at all.
        6.) EDM nowadays is a single genre of the broad selection of electronic music you can find, no matter how confusing that may seem.
        7.) You apparently didn’t know that EDM is actually a single genre of electronic music.
        8.) I assume that you are arguing that ALL electronic music sounds the same and haven’t listened to hardstyle or chillstep or glitch hop or nu disco yet.
        9.) If you can’t even realize that EDM is a genre, that probably means that you don’t even listen to too much electronic music and just assume that every genre in it isthe same.
        10.) I know it may sound confusing, but to some people, rock music sounds the same. Death metal is a genre just like Hair Metal or Punk rock is. But like you (though in a different sense), there are people that see it as just rock, and that all of it sounds the same. Same with classical or opera or country.
        11.) The reason I wrote a list is because it would be confusing stating different points within one massive paragraph. lol.

        haf nice day.

  • Riley

    go in depth of the music people lmao house, dubstep, future, trance… that’s all edm… listen to what u want and stop hatin on shit… no ones listening

  • Pablo Bravo

    We can save Brian Enno and aphex twin succesors the future garage and also the trip hop family whit influence of jazz and psychedelic, like rjd2,mount kimbe, bonobo,teebs, mndsgn, tokimonsta, flyng lotus, four tet,,metaform , enmancipator, tycho , flume, sbtrkt, little dragon,caribou,Ras G, burial, boards of Canada, autechre, shlomo, amo tobin , thievery corporation, nightmares on wax,little people,quantic,gramatik,daedelus,mr scruff ratatat,toro y moi,nosaj thing,yppah,baths etc and don’t forget the french house family the daft punk influence like kavinsky, madeon, justice, Lemaitre, breakbot,uppermost,boyz and noise,mr oizo,bag raiders,dj Mehdi,digitalism etc some French chill out house is cool too like cheeroke anyway the synth sound still alive, just imagine the future of the electronic music in 200 years this is just the beggining, I really want to start making future garage any reccomendations? someday the humanity will find the electronic music version of Mozart Chopin or Beethoven but this will happen with upcoming technology

    • Pablo Bravo

      sorry for my bad english

  • derrick_274

    There are definitely a lot of genres and some are still gaining popularity again especially in other countries especially outside the US. Many still playing live of course. In Chicago, IL one station that was aired shortly lived was Energy 92.7 and B96 played more mainstream and rap after a period – I think due to popularity and concerned parents the station – E92.7- got banned but I’m not going to quote anything. I will say though there are a ton of online sites. now :-)
    Another interesting topic is when Freestyle died in the mid 90′s. Also, NRG eurodance hits still had a unique flavor. Although, I still enjoyed more NRG.
    In a way its like reading if you don’t look at much you miss out on what is available.

    Ace of base, Backstreet boys, N-sync, Aqua were obviously more mainstream.
    More NRG hits included – E-type – one of my favorite, Robert Miles – More like trance, Snap, La Bouche etc.

  • Lexy

    I’m 22 and think that Eurodance of the 90s was much better than today’s ‘EDM’ It may have been the much cheesier and pop end of Dance music but I’ve been listening to some of it lately and it still has soul and can make you dance, in a way that today’s pop end of Dance music doesn’t. People don’t even dance at these EDM festivals/’raves’ They are all just packed in like sardines and facing the front, as though they are there to see Rihanna gyrating on stage. I love electronic music, especially drum and bass and I do listen to music being made today but most ‘EDM’ is terrible or some of the bearable stuff I wouldn’t actually class as ‘dance’ music because although I enjoy it as a simple catchy pop song, it doesn’t make me dance in the way I expect from dance music.

    • derrick_274

      Agreeded. There is a lot of creative soul. I grew up in the 90s-college days. Lol. Great times. I will say at least house is still playing. Only thing i avoid is dug step. I have tanitus and this high pitched repedivesness drives me nuts. Drum and bass is good as house. Lol u should check out the artist Planet Soul. You might enjoy them.

  • Miguel Asuncion

    I totally agree with you. I embrace the dance culture and genres and consider it like a religion. The music is the prayer, the pill is like bread we take during mass, the djs are the priests. The club is the church and festivals is like our ‘Mecca’. I used to dj at clubs mixing fidget, wonky, deep tech & tech house in a session. I stopped because I kept getting asked by the promoters or owners to play commercial house?!! The crowds not the same these days. Only 5% is actually there for the music.

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  • Tom Healey

    edm is just a symptom of the total lack of taste of the masses.. its always been there and always will in one way or another. its just that with the irritating social media stage life is in we all have to hear about the ‘kids’ and their stupidity — edm will die off as soon as the next musical sound comes in for the adverts on tv… terrible generic pop and dance music have always rode hand in hand.. in the late ninties it was all just as bad — commercial music will be there as long as people have no taste and bad legal highs — its a human problem not a musical one.

  • Jason

    I have been a fan of electronic music since I was 6 years old listening to dj tiesto and armin van Buuren and my little kid dance music like eiffel 65. Now I’m 22 and Electronica is my go to music above all. I do agree with most of this post how electronic music is being ruined personally in my opinion by non talented individuals that like to play the same whompy bass line in every song. The thing is though I was under the impression that EDM was just another name for electronic music in general. I thought it means electronic dance music. And you are referencing how dance music and electronic music is the main genre before EDM came around. And EDM just means electronic dance music. In my opinion that just covers all electronic music and it’s thousands of subgenres. Maybe I understood this wrong but I feel as if you don’t understand that EDM means the main category of electronic music. Because yes kids these days talk about EDM and they say it’s all this new trash electronic dance music buy hasn’t it been called electronica or electronic dance music or EDM since I can remember about 16 years ago.

  • Alisr

    What the fuck are you talking about nigger?!EDM=electronic dance music!
    Dont talk shit about something that u dont know even Its meaning
    come leak my bolls and keep your fucking mouth close

    • Ramix09

      did you even read the fucking article? idiot…

  • derrick_274

    Hey all you should check out Borcay.fm and -philipineses and Charivaravi Eurodance 95.5 -germany on the internet. There is a ton of veriety. I truely think EDM may repeat it self.